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Just saw few really sizable UAV platform developed by Iranian college students, for an  event sponsored by the Iranian military and industry.

http://www.suasnews.com/2011/09/8080/iranian-national-uav-competition/

The ask was for a medium endurance UAV with range of 66Kms and a Service ceiling of 4500m. The test gound was an actual mountain terrain instead of a college campus.

I am deeply baffled by the advancement minnow country in front of 'Next World Power' India are achieving , which does not even boast of premier institutes like IISC, IITs and numerous NITs and many elite private funded colleges.

I was talking to a close flyer friend going for one of the sp4mm3r for Aeromodeling competition . The competition has  hardly any genuine and progressive asks from the contestants.

It is so sad that we are lagging so behind from countries like Iran, Indonesia, Thailand, China, Philippines ,Tiwan , SG/HK in Aviation advancements in the colleges. These UAV are made of commodity off the shelf items, which even your Grand Ma can order with a Credit card.

Looking forward for any university to put a genuine challenge and participants really innovating, or at least showing progressive research between  batch-to-batch  contendership (Seniors passing on their learning to juiniors. Juniors taking it to next level).

another food for thought by Marc Anderson
"Why Software Is Eating The World"
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903480904576512250915629460.html?fb_ref=wsj_share_FB&fb_source=profile_multiline

There is nothing new in Loop/Rolls/Pattern flying that should be competed in university. You have enough pure Flying competition for them.

I recalled seeing HAL's 'Rustom' platform in AeroIndia 2011 in Feb this year:

http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace/media/dsei11/hal-rustom-uav-dsei-2011-87879.aspx



This itself looks very 'Amateurish' build, far below the expectation from a Public sector company with at least 10's of Carore of funding and vast resources (What wheel collar is that ? Dubro? Put some good locktite Na?? ) . Better  artifacts are made by numerous individual freelance flyers in west and university students as a 2-sem project!

May be the authorities wants to keep us one step behind them ! (Compare US defense with US RC Flyers). Reason you see so much nagging at customs house!!

Security is a genuine concern  in our country... the issues may not be as black and white as it seems.

No R/C plane has been ever been involved in any incidence. Numerous Cars/Truck/Bikes/Tiffins and real planes have been. It is just blowing things out of proportion by our 'God for Nothing' authorities (Forgot that Ex-IT commissioner talking crap about Cloud Computing).

On the same lines they should discourage Computer education as Cyber attacks are latest threat ? It is all because large number of incompetent official assuming the highest seat of authority, and they don't have any clue what to do! See the number of dead ends in investigation of all the last bombings in the Indian cities. Fire them.

Johny, we are doing a lot, rest assured on that, we traditionally don't chest thump, ( unlike the states) UAV in college is a double edged sword, can cut both ways, should not be encouraged is my opinion.

Gusty Sir,
It was revealed by one of my friends who left ISRO after working patriotically for 6 years. He said that ISRO/DRDO has not got quality college freshers for long, long time (Rishkesh was only bright friend I knew who joined a PSU like ISRO). It is still running on the acumen from Old Grandpa kind of Scientist who are at the verge of retirement.

Unless the Govt encourage the right liaison between universities, where you get the innovators of tomorrow in these critical industries ? Not encouraged, I know loads of people from my batch ending up in US universities. They were no less patriot than their talent.

We have an infamous culture of 'Hiding' things to save it. People may have read the parable of two servants (one servant hid the money given by master into soil and did not invest it).

I wish that Tata /Birlas / Ambanis of today were running Lockheed/Boeing/Raytheon./BAE kind of kind of companies, if the Govt of yesteryear did not try to 'Hide' military technology development from private sectors. We wouldn't have been stuck with LCA kind of catch-22 situation. If we don not learn from past, god may help.

And I still believe White Elephants like HAL should be doing lot, lot better than Rustom kind of project which get obsolete even before they hit first prototype.

I hope I am wrong, and one can easily argue the same old "Guns don't kill, people do" line.  But licensing of guns has in general been positive.  Similar arguments can be had for UAV issues.

Look at this:

J. Robert Oppenheimer, the inventor of first Atom Bomb, which changed the world order the last time, was not a military guy. He was from university.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Robert_Oppenheimer

I dont buy to the idea that keeping general public contributing to such technology would keep such things in 'Safe Hands'. We would deprive much of good ideas from ever being born from public domain! The govt should be capable enough to stop  wrong usage of such technology. Remember, risk of not doing research is always more than that from doing it.

I leave this thread with some food for thought:

How Online Gamers help break code for Aids enzyme:
http://www.silobreaker.com/online-gamers-crack-aids-enzyme-puzzletuesday-september-20-2011124041-am-5_2264862620634841187


Increasing role of UAV in future warfare: We are probably developing one of last Fighter Planes with an on board Pilot (Gusty Sir, you need not worry ;) , its long  time before this to happens in our country).
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-building-secret-drone-bases-in-africa-arabian-peninsula-officials-say/2011/09/20/gIQAJ8rOjK_print.html

let me put it in a non-doomsday Chiliasts view (a) UAV has two aspects platform and payload (b) existing platforms and engine are good enough, proven, available off the shelf, doesn't cost a bomb, and lot of people who have done the R&D are ready to sell (So we are not tied down to one vendor) (c) Payload too has the aspect of hardware and software. both of which are tweakable , code breakable and replaceable (don't go into ethics issue). at the end of it you got a product at a fraction of a cost (Cost of R&D Production etc etc put together try and find out cost of one LCA (Be advised to keep a doc close to you)). you may call it lack of self reliance, i call it being smart. producing your own is like reinventing wheel when someone has done it for you and offering it to you at cost less then what it costed him, for earning your goodwill and bonhomie. think about that.

Disclaimer(These are my dreams, may not be reality, resemblance if any is purely co-incidental)

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Gusty Sahab, Some people dont like the idea of Chinaizing  :rofl:. They believe in doing their own thing. Recently there was a lot of discussion about the same issue here  :salute:
http://www.rcindia.org/electric-planes/hobby-king-is-%27copy-king%27-this-time-funjet/

Somepeople dont think twice about what they are speaking. I still stand by my claim in the above thread, Crazypilot (you have so aptly chose your handle ) I dare you to prove me wrong.

'Chinaizing' is not going to take  you ANYWHARE.... learn from China copy-pasting F-22. Japanising is the least what we should satisfied with. As a matter of fact I have so low regards for the neo-engineers I often come across during interview who have got their degree by submitted copied assignments and projects done by shops around university. I bet you are referring to same 'Chinaizing'. I dump such candidate the moment I confirm my hunch about them because they have proven useless even for Software industry.

On a side note, I am lately noticing that this forum is hugely infested by new obnoxious people who believe in only name calling, clapping on other's comment ROFL, LAMO, LOL foo, bar. The day is not far that this forum becomes like the other Indian forum I left in despair.  

Gusty Sir, its too late, I would revert back to your enlightening opinion tomorrow..

Johny
I agree with you on one thing for certain, of which i PMed Anwar Bhai as well, Free loaders haven. YKWIM.

My point is R&D on defence related stuff is waste of time, (a) it has already been done by someone(b) There is someone working on a counter measure for your weapon system already, so yours is redundant before going to production (c) best is available off the shelf.
R&D on things that will take you onto next millennium is understood, or something that will benefit, humanity as a whole (by Civilian or a uniformed personnel doesn't matter). if we have to stand tall , it can only be achieved by staying a stable country, becoming an economic power and achieving a higher level of literacy. Defence procurement just the amount needed will provide you necessary security from external aggression, take countries which invested more than what they could chew, on defence for example, they are already bankrupt and failed state or well on the path of becoming one.

Tweaking on Software and Hardware is not Chinaizing. If we can write a better software for a machine to perform better and sell the same codes back to the OEM. how is it Chinaizing. I would rather call it 'Indian Super Brainizing'

Disclaimer(These are my dreams, may not be reality, resemblance if any is purely co-incidental)

Now that is causing me some concern.  I thought I have dealt with "name calling", are there any examples left in public ?

Regarding the rofl, thumbsup etc... that is expected in discussions, especially when there is not enough "pure" topics/discussion.  And it is up to each one of us to GENERATE more of such content.

Perhaps I should clarify my thought a bit more.  Instead of having 100s of colleges play at will with GPS guided UAVs that have many kilometers of range and high payload capacity, such research and innovation should be done by startup companies started by some graduates from the same colleges, under a legal framework and known to the authorities, with import and security considerations.  Now, nothing prevents someone with nefarious intentions to slip into such a company and do bad stuff, but the added scrutiny will be a deterrent (although not a 100% solution).

Enough time and money is already being invested; its the lack of output that's worrying. Like DARPA, some part of the budget should be used to inspire the new generation by generating awareness, sponsoring student projects organizing competitions. This way new ideas, technology and human resource can be acquired at very low cost.

Here

Not really... I think we all have various levels of "nuttiness" in us :)

PS: Saying "you are crazy" which typically means what you just said amounts to craziness is at best a very feeble case for "name calling".

I agree with Augustinev. Why spend money in things that we cannot produce for commercial purposes anyway? In the end its a build vs buy decision that the MOD has to think about. Personally, on UAVs and Defense spends, I think its better to buy. BTW, if we need to build, we can always collaborate with the likes of Sukhois ;-)

On the flip side, spending on R&D might be actually a lucrative deal for our 'topi & dhoti brigade'. They can siphon off loads of money and claim that it was spent on R&D

Seeing  a nice discussion on this fora after a long long time.

Can't stop myself from posting here, this really proves the niceness of this thread.

First of all different people may have different opinions so does different governments. But that doesn't not imply one opinion is superior to other, and vice-verse. And simultaneously there can some flip-flops of even superior opinions, but if a idea is working that certainly worth pondering. Many of the USA's defense techs are and were developed in north American universities. So why not we adopt and develop same plans. As universities are incubators of future, so who knows which rain drop can become a pearl.

India spends Billions of Dollars in buying defense technology, and as it is well known many of the defense cos have R&D base in India these days manned by Indian Engineers. So in fact we are paying to foreigners to develop technology with Indian brains.

UAV platform is just a tip of ice burg there can be many many examples of this kind. But still there's a increase in private parties in defense sector, and situation is improving day by day.

And regarding availability of some technologies which could be misused, like take example of GPS, let me remind GPS modules are so easily available these days, even some Indian on line electronic stores sells them, so if any body wants to misuse them, it's just a click away.

I want to agree with poster above that there is lack of fresh brains in Indian research organisations. And that situation is not improving. But still, research organisations have delivered technologies with are second to none, one example flashes my mind right now is Packaged food technology (You might have seen ready to eat cooked food like Panner Makhanwala, on super market shelves) developed by CFTRI Mysore for defense forces benefiting all of us. We can imagine result what they can deliver if managed properly.


And finally personnel touches on this forum(as pointed by me previously also) is Leading or already lead this Fora to a wrong direction.

its not correct to just state that we are paying foreigners to develop technology with Indian brains. You might not know, but there is a well defined program for defense purchase called the "offset program" the aim of this this program is to develop the technology locally. As per the rule for any purchase over a 100 million USD (there are quite a few of these), the vendor has to invest 20-25% (i forget exact percentage) back in India. primarily to develop the indian capabilities. So in a way this is a win-win situation.

Secondly, as regards to the pointed personal remarks. What's wrong in a few barbs here and there? Don't we all face similar situation at work, colleges with friends etc? Do we keep changing our offices just because I may have been subjected to some personal derogatory remarks? Grow up!!!!!
Besides, Anwar and the other moderators are there to take care if the situation gets out of hand. :D

Take note some companies are investing more amount than offset amount, come to Bangalore and you can see thousands of Indian brains working for Companies like, GE, Boeing, Rolls Royce, Honeywell etc. and we have co flyers working with these companies here. And they are benefited more than India, by eating large pie of Indian defense expenditure.

This used to be a gentleman's forum before not a college canteen. 

Sorry to be blunt... but how convenient is it to put down countless hours of efforts by many, trying to maintain some sense of order into a large audience of different ages, backgrounds, intentions, egos and what not ?  And that too after actively participating in many of the "college canteen"ish  discussions ?

Please... cut some slack brothers... we all need it :banghead:  And help drive this forum to directions that feels better in YOUR eyes.

Well I think you guys know that I believe India is going to be the next big thing in UAS especially the small ones, which is also where I think the money is going to be.

You only need so many Predators and Global Hawks in the world, I think we are nearly at that point.

However for doing simple mapping tasks in your town in wherever you are in the world thousands of UAS are needed.

Heres a couple of success stories

http://www.suasnews.com/2011/05/5458/made-in-india-home-grown-suas/

http://www.suasnews.com/2011/08/7735/india-plans-to-develop-solar-powered-uavs/

http://www.suasnews.com/2011/08/6311/india-to-leave-suas-manufacture-to-private-enterprise/

http://www.suasnews.com/2010/08/688/mav-presentation-at-utsav/

I think the important thing to remember is that lots of what I post about on sUAS News is just bull from companies trying hard to sell. There are very few small systems flying that are being used for real work in the civil world so the opportunity is still huge.

Simple systems safely flying simple tasks will make money. You don't need a University to tell you how to make them.

I am not against University, every nation should have a strong education system that works towards the advancement of civil society in that nation.

Wow!! That article is really cool!

The discussion is actually taking course of merits and de-merits of globalization!!

I was thinking if this can be done as a hobby !! ?

I think guys who are already into FPV, Could take the first leap into it. . . or there might already be guys working on it  ??

Quote from the article in the link.


This would be of real use in our country given the large area forest offices have to man mark. I'm not sure what it takes to start working on it as a hobby. What are we lacking ? intelligence, i would say no (we are among the best  :) ).  Money? material ?


Thanks and Regards,
Srivatsa

There is a young man or lady sat out there that will make the simple effective system that everyone will rave about.

Universities and big corporates are too slow in this fast changing market.

I sat at a big military conference last week and was told all about detect sense and avoid and how good it was going to be and all I could think was, its already here in the small world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmkTZxOe-bE&feature=youtu.be

Imagination might be whats missing.

But I bet it's there somewhere

I should have added on that last post all the India tagged stories I have are here http://www.suasnews.com/?s=India If you are working on something that you would like promoted then let me know. Oh and follow us on twitter @suasnews and subscribe to the email newsletter if you want to keep up with whats happening with UAVs, its free! (Advert ends) ;-)

That Iranian competition took us by surprise as well along with several other Western similar events, its raised the bar somewhat.

Who started it ? dont try to be stealthy, by just mentioning the thread, as if people wont make 2+2 on whom you trying to point finger.  Now regarding my Funjet Vs Flyjet comparision, see even what others are saying. Hope giving a clean chit to HK on this blatant copying wont earn a HK reward here:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1494123&highlight=flyjet#post19127420
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1493707&highlight=flyjet
 
Who is wrong and childish ?

Thanks Gary for your enlightenment. Your links makes my opinion even stronger. Start up are always fueled by young blood who 'nearly' did things back in the college itself. You need such energetic people with fresh ideas, and a bunch of experienced one who have strategic insight to guide them towards commercial use. Unless folks do some extent of work on real technology, instead of bookish/academic exercise, you wont have such game changers. The software industry's fast pace is such a good example of this.  Do you think a Medical college can produce Doc without particle
on human bodies. Even in the past, Comp Science was not a 'Department' in itself and a mere subject of Electrical/electronics/Communication department. Comp Science slowly evolved as a separate discipline.
 
I still feel many responders have mixed up between the concept of UAV and UCAV and see evil. I see no harm in colleges involved in some serious UAV augmentation , which are good implementation of technology across the board and just not 'GPS assisted flight. One good example of such augmentation was the guy developing a Wifi spying drone. sounds mischievous, but it was such a great off-the-shelf tech demo.
I would not encourage its use for Papapprazi kind of activity, but when our LE does not have the luxury of Helis as the west, why not colleges geared up with police/Fire services/Local Startups  develop a low cost and durable Quad drones to give the, bird eye view for emergency situation. 

There is a very very thin line johny here, what do you call a Predator armed with hellfire ?? a UCAV or an armed UAV. where is the evil. Mix AI with UCAV, see what you get, a machine that can identify threat from its library (Not out of some fiction movie, i am talking real here), what have you got? mmm. gives me nightmares, these superior computing power, TBs of space shrinking, advancement in AI and Nano tech mixed with UCAVs(For that matter any destructive machines), is MAD round the corner?, are we so dumb not to see the writing on the wall. let me ask you this "have you killed anybody" ?, assume you did, and you regret it, combine that feeling with the knowledge that you have a possible autonomous killers on the loose. it is not GOW, it is flesh and blood

Disclaimer holds, and i am starting to sound like a Doomsday Chiliast myself

I don't know whats worse, a UAV with brains or humans who act as UAVs and become mindless drones for the likes of Laden. Either way, the thought is not comforting

Hey Ujjwana. I could start a new thread for this but i dont need brownie points (Rep power) by creating another thread or HK reward (if it exists). anyways would like to know your opinion on the following

(http://i55.tinypic.com/qps7t2.jpg)
HAL Tejas

(http://i55.tinypic.com/1fhf11.jpg)
Mirage 2000

(http://i51.tinypic.com/2wnqxe1.jpg)
HAL Sitara

(http://i53.tinypic.com/35i1ukz.jpg)
Hongdu J8

All the HAL planes looks like copy of others. So what do you suggest?

Guys, Take the fight on a different thread. And let the frutile discussion continue.

Srivatsa, nobody is fighting here. This is Gentleman's forum and I am participating as politely as I can.

Good to hear. And one more request, Assuming this being a discussion we must stop dare to prove someone wrong. We are just putting our views here not trying to prove someone wrong or correct. Hope everyone agrees with it.

Regards,
Srivatsa

Here is another (sort of) civilian use :

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/local/news/general/aerial-surveillance-push/2300359.aspx

I would again request you think before speaking, or gathering facts. Just dont copy-past allegation from 'Scum of Internet' there are enough Pakis on Defense/Jet forums who make such alligation. Even in your personal/Professional life, verify before you put foundation of your belief on just ANY Internet article.

Though I criticize HAL/NAL/BEL on taking long time, but my criticism if towards management, leadership and Govt apathy. I have absolutely high regards for the Engineers who have done an excellent job and the Test pilots who proved their Mattel.


LCA Tejas Vs Mirage 2000
    I would have take such allegation from a non-aero guy, but not like you who should know the cricitalicy in Wing design. Are ALL delta wings similar ? do you know even changes in 10% wing area like that of Wing tips/Slats means entirely different wings ? Look at the wing profile for both the planes at the bottom of Wiki pages:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_Tejas#Specifications_.28HAL_Tejas.29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_2000#Specifications_.28Mirage_2000C.29

1. The swept ratio is totally different
2. The Wing break is different. Mirage 200 is Compound delta while Tejas is Ogival delta
3. Most importantly  Tejas has  high wing root configuration while Mirage 2000 has low wing root configuration. Do you think that makes any difference?
4. Fuse shape is different.
5. Both have completely different Avionics, power plant and Composite material metallurgy.

HAL HJT-36 Sitara Vs Hongdu JL-8
This one is close in most of characteristics : WS, Length, services ceiling, speed, wing loading powerhouse. But the phsical ressemblance is limited to Fuse alone.  

Sitara is a leading tapered Wing and JL-8  is trailing. The Wing aerofoil is also different.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_HJT-36_Sitara#Specifications_.28HJT-36.2C_prototypes.29
http://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints/modernplanes/modern-jk/42246/view/jl-8_k-8_karakorum/

Actually Both the plane carry much from BAE Hawk than one another. And here, I would give more credit to HAL Folks for whom picking things from BAE Hawk would have been more natural and logical (and may be even internally agreed upon)as they already had technological collaboration with BAE system. HAL couldn't have blatantly copied from Hawk, while the Chinese did.

So CrazyPilot, please do some research before hurriedly posting pics and cooked up facts.


I would **Completely** agree with Gusty sir, who has more stake and knowledge on these topic that instead of re-inventing the wheel, India should go for a progressive 'Technology Colab and Transfer' with the leading manufactures than re-inventing the wheels.
But this is **Completely** different than 'Chinising', which is illegal, unethical, cheating, One-Way and dangerous. In Collaboration, both benefit. The legal tech giver transfer credible and crucial know-how of the technology and the receiver need not 'Reverse-Engineer', not knowing many hidden facts, not captured in the RE process.

I would even love that India makes a consortium of Tata-Ambani-Birlas and other tycoon, and ask them to acquire the ailing Russian agencies like Sukhoii, MIG, and collaborate with those whom they cannot buy (Dassault , BAE, other Israeli co), This would slowly make the country independent in its Defense requirement. 'Buying' ready made arsenal always comes with a caveat. While copying, they dont know what 'Back doors' they are copying too!!

Its never too late, even if you did not wake early.

I am not locking  the thread but I think made my self clear enough. People with logical aptitude should be able to make their own conclusion.

Thats an EOD (End of Discussion) from my side. I am just waiting the opinion of Gusty sir who would know these things more than anyone here.

Ridiculing one's  reasoning and capability of analyzing is an invitation of such altercation of questioning of the other. Especially when it is put in most cunning manner. Srivats, please follow the thread above before putting the ball in one's court.

All your facts accepted. Now can i safely say that these two only look similar but have different flight characteristics. do you agree?

(http://i56.tinypic.com/96hzrc.jpg)

(http://i54.tinypic.com/2nu0nwo.jpg)

One more info for u IAF has both the planes in service. Mirage 2000 and BAE hawk. so obviously HAL did take the design and put their own SW and other things.


 

Defense Industry is Huge, there is a famous saying, "Follow the Money", if you follow the money trial of defense expenditure , spending, etc, it will lead back some hand full of companies/Consortiums in the world, any war is beneficial for Arms Sellers, Having said that,

take any aeroplane for example, today, it is not made by a single company, there are specialist in the field, avionics, Rin Laser Gyro, Ejection Seats to name a few. It is not economically viable to buy a Bull to make a Shoe. That's why "Arms dealers" collaborate, sometimes even clandestinely, to stay in this competitive world which sadly is out to destroy each other.

Design similarities is not copying, after all, there are only some handful of designs available. M2K and LCA, definitely handles differently, has different capabilities, and not similar in any which way, CP, that call was wrong of yours.., Sitara too is visually closer to hawk +1 with johny on that issue. Hawk definitely is a dream machine for a trainee. Even the RC Hawk is superb to fly.

Coming to the topic of india lagging on UAV developments esp in the colleges, i agree yes we are lagging, thank god they are lagging. We need to concentrate on what will bring you progress, clean energy, Renewable energy, nano tech to save life. etc.. etc not some destructive tech. they are available off the shelf, for filling up our armory four times over, Key word is Minimum Credible Deterrence., hat needs to be maintained, after all we are a peace loving nation, with no territorial ambitions.

Johny EOF for me

CP

You are bang on, they look similar, they wont perform similarly, Here is your answer

http://www.rcindia.org/electric-planes/hobby-king-is-%27copy-king%27-this-time-funjet/msg75420/#msg75420

Here is your answer to prove that, i have a funjet, she is twice as fast as this machine and lowspeed handling of this machine is better than funjet due fuse lift

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrfSt1CO5AU&feature=player_embedded

That's a wrong answer. LCA's design was frozen well before Mirage was Inducted, Sitara was test flown, well before hawks were even thought off, to be inducted.

I don't think i did that. Reason for me to tell that was, for a moment i felt we had deviated from the original discussion. The discussion was on UAV development in Universities and we have end up discussing something on whether our indigenous designs are actually copied.

Gentleman's forum

Ok, At least phrase is getting bit fashionable, if not forum, being so.


Sir "Follow the Money" is the mantra of today's world, leave behind weapon dealers, even HK (Ok I have not dragged it here, but appeared magically even on UAV thread) has followed it. Beg borrow or steal, follow the way which can bring in the money. Cut Copy paste, are the wonder words. But I Agree with you sir, that we should concentrate on techs which brings betterment to our life, but again this is a ruthless world. Remember what happened to Nehru's Panchsheel. And information is a click away, Sir, I heard about terrorists learned making bombs from internet.

OK Ujjwaana, agree, with the poster, if Mirage and LCA Tejas are different why can't be Fun jet and xJet. Photo copy can't become original document, so they are different. I think you got the point.

UAV development is only for destruction ? ..Just like beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder. Things here also depends on people's perception. UAV can be used in peace time missions.  maritime reconnaissance and several other types of reconnaissance missions would play its role in betterment of humanity.

An aeroplane can be used as a bomber as well as transport. It depends on the use. Just because it can bomb buildings (WTC as an example) doesn't brand it destructive. Rocket can be GSLV (betterment of humanity) can also be an ICBM (destructive to humanity).

UAV can be put to good use. Its good if it is promoted in Universities

Srivatsa.

Am in complete agreement on peaceful uses. But I also feel there is no need "to re-invent the wheel".

Saddam Bought Pipes for transporting oil and made a Super Gun, to bomb and gas Iranians out of it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Babylon) this dual use technology is also part of destruction. close control is required, research in college/universities means uncontrolled exploitation, which is not good. it will find its way to harm people. have no doubts on that

i agree with gusty sir :thumbsup:

We all Know that RC flying is primarily carried out as a hobby in india.

Apart from Hobby related trade and services , Awareness about various Career and Business opportunities in design and development of UAVs is not wide spread in RC field. So anyone willing to share knowledge and pitch questions about the same are welcome to post here.

hi to all,
i wouldnt completely agree that there is no developement in the uav field in universities in india.i am a member of the uav team of delhi technological university (formerly delhi college of engineering).we got a research grant from LOCKHEED MARTIN worth $350,000 to develope a complete unmanned aerial system in 2010.the project was given due to our very promising performance in the AUVSI student competition in which we will be taking part this year also on the 13th of june and are expecting a podium finish(we use a modified sig rascal 110 as our uav platform).i have attached a photo of the uav named aarush 1.i am really sorry but i cannot disclose further specifications of the uav AS OF NOW as we are yet to do a public flight somewhere in september this year after which i will post all the things the uav has been developed to do.

devesh

ujjwaana in our colg ISRO didnt recruit few good students just bcoz they lacked practical exposure this year
if this continues students who are patriotic will also eventually lose interest in joining ISRO/DRDO
and they wont hep us in getting this practical exposure they demand

Even universities are not coming up to take UAV projects in this present situations in indai they r thinking that UAV's have no potential take my case i didnt get any support from my college to develop a UAV one thing the FUTURE OF AEROSPACE IS UNMANNED >>>>

The potential of UAV's is more..all the major countries are dveloping uavs for their defence USA named DAPRA for extensive UAV research .......all the major research is going very fast extensive research is going on VTOL uavs capable of using anywhere ....in our we r now ?????? ADE is doing extensive research in UAVS especially in MALE UAV's in my opinion lack of scope in the respective feild is main cause of underdevelopment here in chennai MADRAS INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY developed daksh an Quad or HEXA....now standing second in UAV FORGES Competetion.....we r havin capabilities but havin littile scope for exploring and in some coll & univ its a kind of hobby they r still in that stage (EX : my coll .....not even supported for my project but still i managed to compleate it on my own risk) some of the student organisations r emerging i witnessed in chennai LIKE AVIAN AEROSPACE intended fro research in chennai organising by group of aeronautical engg students.

                    The thing is lack of potential in our minds..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVghylq9IrU