Looks like a DJI phantom crashed by a photographer in MRC nagar. 
Chennai flyers be careful of cops.

http://epaperbeta.timesofindia.com/index.aspx?eid=31807&dt=20150108

wrong link provided.

try here
http://epaperbeta.timesofindia.com/Article.aspx?eid=31807&articlexml=Drone-crashes-on-building-in-MRC-Nagar-1-08012015003049

Seems TN police had called up to DJI innovations in China, and Identified an Indian owner of their product I wonder whether they spoke in Chinese

However, Indian RC community is in Big trouble

Wait untill They find out about this forum!! - That is what my friend said!!

Few more of these idiot photographers are required to kill this hobby  irresponsible

Yes i agree with you sundaram most of these incident take pace  due to lack of knowledge of these photographers who think a multirotor is  just a joke , they dont do range check even dont let the copter set its home position,dont do compass calibration ...they just set it up and fly ... which even end up in fly-aways !!!

I used to fly my quad(without FPV) in a ground near to tat MRC nagar. But now i am scared to go there . Can any one tel me how to get NOC? :salute:

Same feel here satish kumar... stupidity results in set back for hobby enthusiast. What is the procedure for getting a NOC from DGCA and local cops will be like what is a quadcopter  if i ask them for flying them. Am sure they will target some money out of me if i go for a NOC from local cops

How was it possible to identify the owner?  And i suppose it was a DJI Phantom so they were able to track down him.. what about custom made one? Is it possible to track down the owner? and how? will the quad have any source of clue to track down the owner?

Mahesh, See Reply 2 ,,,
Do you think the police did so ?
The police is boasting of their efficiency man, do you think you can Identify the owner by calling the Manufacturer ? I don't know of any RC Manufacturer who keeps record and Track of their customers and equipments .

i m little bit scared.do i need any permission to fly my scratch built plane(no fpv)?

Rajesh..

There are thousands of acres of open land in your place far away from city. go and fly there.. Its the problem only inside the city where its a threat to others life and property..

@sundaram sir...so this will cause problem to all of us ....

They actually contacted the british company through the serial no and they revealed the dealer contact info and the dealer revealed the person who bought the product. all happened within a matter of hours, (as per translation from tamil thehindu)

cops are capable of doing much more, its just that they never did it before, doesnt mean that they cannot do it again.
unlike spares, company like dji keep record of customers who buys complete products.(seems like its safer to fly scratch built ones, lol)

fly in large open space so that you no one can be in reach within atleast 1km radius and you will be in no trouble.

Ashok.P

Best quote of 2015!

Omg hobby became some thing which is to be done in a hidden place right now:(

Since ages it was always of at-most importance that people pursuing this hobby were required to behave responsibly. Even while flying within line of sight under 400 ft, maintaining safety of air traffic, life and property around you was always your primary responsibility you were never absolved of this responsibility. Maintaining peace and calm and ensuring your hobby activity is not infringing on peace and privacy of persons around you was also expected to be your primary concern. You were always under threat of getting sued/hauled up for violating any of the above. You were always expected to make good or pay up compensation for the damage caused by you. you were always expected to fly with permission of the authorities under whom the flying field falls or choose an appropriate flying field without infringing on others space.

Now just because you are not restricted by Line of sight or the limits of a flying field due to the development of technology you cannot now go about creating nuisance to others. Its even more important now to abide by the above aspects. Cost of pursuing this hobby has definitely come down but the risks of pursuing this hobby and responsibilities involved with it is never going to come down but its going to increase for sure because of more proliferation and awareness.

Even with whatever regulation whenever it is going to be issued, even when issued still even if you are flying with DGCA clearance, If you are a cause for threat to another's life or you infringe on privacy of another you will be hauled up/ arrested for sure. If you cause damage to others life or property be ready to pay-up for the compensation.

Just because you can you are not always allowed. Its not a child's play.

I am sure this has been posted before too

worried ...where to fly now....

One mistake many sufferers... lots to learn and lots to follow but won't give up ever:)

This was just in d news today,(for the second day) all this trouble cos some guy tried flew his dji phantom, over a 10story building(seems it was a sunbathing spot for tourists), ND his phantom went out of range , ND feel on a foreigner who was sunbathing, the police ND media have gone crazy with this story , they claim its a risk for planes, ND public , also seems the police have sought details of buyers from a mumbai-based company., thankfully they gave 3 positive uses for the so called drones after criticizing them for half a page .

Guys doing it commercially with adequate legitimate permission and without causing any nuisance are also facing similar problems else where in this world in these times of change and you expect you will be spared if found trying to photograph some sunbathers. Our guy here deserved to be sued and penalized.

Drone photographer to sue police for false imprisonment after arrest at scene of Surrey caravan fire

http://www.suasnews.com/2015/01/33777/drone-photographer-to-sue-police-for-false-imprisonment-after-arrest-at-scene-of-surrey-caravan-fire/

As if one DJI was not enough to screw our happiness who is giving these guys permission to churn out endless series of supposedly dangerous life threatening models one after another and sell it to just about any IDIOT PHOTOGRAPHER who is ready to buy it.

No one is ready to sue these Guys ?

claimed DJI Killer



Zano's tiny drone wants to make aerial photography cheaper

People get fascinated by seeing all those DJI videos and think that they too could make them.
Why dont DJI put these flyaway issues too in their site. If it werent these RTF quad makers, many people wouldnt have ventured into this money making business and many will still think this as a daunting task and would have stayed away and our hobby would have been saved.
these guys try to make money and spoil our hobby and switch to new money making things and move on. and its our hobby which become ruined for years and takes lot of hard work to repair it. im sure time will heal this stain on our hobby or might make it worse.

Ashok.p

It is not the manufacturers to be blamed. If a crime was committed using an ordinary kitchen knife, would you want to stop manufacture of all kind of knife.
What you do with the tools you have been given, matters 

Agreed Captain  . Idiot Photographers are the ones who are required to be sued.  

The kitchen Knife is manufactured solely for household purpose which may be misused by the criminal minds but these so called drones are manufactured exactly for the same purpose its being used for by everyone. while the fact of the matter remains that none of them qualify in-terms of endurance, range or capability for being called a Drone. But these have become the center stage of the entire worlds media campaign, attention and threat perceptions. Then why not stop their proliferation.

While the party or persons with actual gear with capabilities to qualify for a Drone are still quietly continuing with their work in some case actually violating privacy and in some causing damage to life and property with full freedom of deniability associated with it.

One thing i would like to ask why are they banning these things its a hobby??
Means In India We are not allowed to fly Multirotors or Helis from now onwards??
Regards,
Aman.

This has also been my analogy for quite some time

Updates :

9.1.2015 : - ANTENNAE UP AS DRONES TAKE WING

http://epaperbeta.timesofindia.com/Article.aspx?eid=31807&articlexml=ANTENNAE-UP-AS-DRONES-TAKE-WING-09012015002011

10.1.2015 : - City police to frame guidelines, clip wings of unmanned aerial vehicles

http://epaperbeta.timesofindia.com/Article.aspx?eid=31807&articlexml=City-police-to-frame-guidelines-clip-wings-of-10012015003030

Somewhat overkill but the new rules do have some merit. It's a well known, self imposed rule among RCers that we stay well away from people, buildings and cars. Here in Australia we are limited to under 400 feet. Where they got the 40,000 feet is laughable. Has anyone you know flown at 40,000 feet? None of my quads have the endurance or battery power to achieve such heights. You certainly wouldn't be able to see it so why risk losing it?

If a copter, tri, hex, quad or any configuration is being flown safely and sensibly, there should be no reason to get tough. In this instance, it was a foolish act to fly from the top of a building but it didn't "drop on a Sun bather" so the media have yet another field day and damage the reputation of law abiding pilots. The pilot in question has suffered enough by the damage caused by his errant ways. I think a fine and a stern telling off is all that's required. Banning anything only leads to flying in secret. Australia tried to ban CB radio. As soon as it became known it was illegal, every CB which arrived from Japan was snapped up. The same could happen with copters. Make pilots responsible for their machines and hit them with stiff fines if they are caught ignoring their responsibilities. Copters can be a great asset for many reasons. I don't know of one person who would pass up an opportunity to help in times of flood or help in a search for a missing person. Utilize them when needed, form clubs and set aside areas for teaching new pilots. There are many things which could be done, but DON'T over restrict or ban them. They are a new commodity and they are improving at a faster and faster rate. Inbuilt emergency parachutes will appear, flight controllers will become bullet proof (well almost) and they will become safer to fly in the right hands. The best thing for keen pilots to do is show the authorities what these copters can do for your communities. Perhaps a little self regulation may help. One last thing, stop referring to them as DRONES. It's a dirty word and riddled with thoughts of spying, death and destruction. Call them copters, multicopters as a group, or quadcopters, tricopters, octocopters or hexcopters singularly. Oh yes, one important thing, if someone comes up to you whilst flying you copter to ask questions, firstly ask them to wait until you land it. show it to them and answer their questions. Show them it's fitted with missiles and tell them the camera, if one's fitted, is strictly for fun or FPV and not to peek in bedroom windows etc. Tell them what it can be used for and you're learning to fly it as safely as possible. Prove to them they aren't what the media is calling them. You then have an informed member of your community. People tend to talk about things they've learned and just maybe that one conversation could lead to an acceptance of your hobby and not a blanket condemnation of it.

Here endeth the lesson.  Sorry guys, I tend to get frustrated at closed minds. I fight for what I believe is right and my weapon is my keyboard as well as my copters. Happy flying to you all.    Stu

Sorry, I just realised I may have been out of order with my post. I'm afraid I have no idea of your way of life in India. If I appear to be bullheaded, you could be right. I'm known for calling a spade a spade, not a shovel. If you think my post is rude and offends you I truly apologize. Please don't think you'll upset by by putting me in my place. This problem could be seen as Your problem and I have no right to butt in. If I'm wrong for goodness sake tell me and I'll know next time. I was speaking as an RCer and quadcopter flyer and hopefully a friend.

Well said Propfella, everybody must try and avoid putting the hobby for any wrong reason in the media.

Well Said Stu.  We all must act responsibly and campaign to earn good name for the hobby and steer it clear from this unwarranted negative media glare. 

Sundaramji,

The beginning of 2015 has proved to be a setback for the hobby.

Now how do we fly model aircrafts, shud i go to the local police station to get an NOC to fly.

Can a member of the AMAI fly without NOC ?

I am feeling very sad and i myself have seen people flying recklessly and always feared that this would happen one day.

As always lots of confusion due to lack of an organisation for the sake of this hobby.

God save the hobby.

Thanks

Arun

I wont suggest you to go to local police station and get your name noted down, avoid city flying for a while and let the tension subside lets be inside bunker😆 for a while thats safe right now.

Thank you deepikarun and Sundaram, with people such as yourselves in this hobby you will succeed, I'm certain. I've written on another section about this matter and in agreement with what you've said in your posts. The hobby needs people to show you're not a bunch of rebels but sensible, normal people who simply wish to participate in a fantastic hobby without restrictive and humiliating laws being passed.

I think having to register to fly your copters as an easy thing to accept. As long as it's the person and not the copter who's registered. Use the licence as a badge, show the public and the Government you don't want to fight over the licence only to fight for your hobby. Actually "fight" is possibly a little strong a word. Rather than be seen as an activist, maybe "energetically support" your hobby sounds a little less confrontational. :-)

I hate to say it Maheshwaran but hiding from your hobby isn't something you should do. Simply do as asked and show the authorities there are many people who want to fly. By avoiding getting that approval you will only make them believe it's a waste of time and any report (which is bound to be generated) will simply say either, "there's no flyers" or "if there are any they're a bunch of wimps"

Don't be ashamed of enjoying your hobby, you gain absolutely nothing by avoiding that approval. However, you will gain much by being open and honest. Anyway, who wants to stop flying? I certainly wouldn't. :-)

I am sure Deepak this has been discussed umpteen times in this very forum before.

Best example which come to my mind is Zonuna and Gang of MAA of Mizoram.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/136947296318616/?fref=nf

They are not a National body but where they are they are larger than life in this Hobby. How these guys from the farthest remote corners of India have organized themselves into and responsible Group and pursuing the activity aggressively with the sponsor and blessings of State Authorities are carrying out the flying activities under the state umbrella.

Instead of being the Lone Ranger Its required for all the hobbyist of the town and area to organize yourself into a flying Group. Identify yourself a suitable flying field for the group without encroaching on anyone else space and privacy and carry out flying activity without disturbing peace of others. Lay down yourself a code  of conduct and safety guidelines for the group and abide by it. You can just blindly follow whats been laid out by AMAI to begin with. All the while involve local Authorities and keep them informed of your Activity. There will be many occasions where you can organize a small airshow for the local community as a part of a bigger occasions where state authorities are also involved such as republic days, independence days, school/ college science fests, community gatherings to gain good publicity.

All the while yes if you can also become the member of AMAI  doing all the above, yes you are further strengthening the national body of the hobby.

Nope, you are not! You are expressing in the same lines as our views are, and it is a global thing. Almost, everywhere, every country hobbyist is facing the same or similar. I bought a radio kit & other accessories for fixed wing flying, haven't flown yet; and I am now a bit skeptical. Should I, or should I not pursue in this field?!

Why do you hesitate to fly your plane Ashok? I can understand if it's a legal thing which stops you, but I can't understand why you're skeptical. As long as you're not breaking any law, upsetting anyone or acting dangerously, I say "go for it" Once you've had a taste for flying you'll never forget it. Mind you, if you haven't flown before I do suggest you find someone to guide you until you're capable of flying alone.

A great post Sundaram, you summed things up perfectly. Well said.   Stu

Interesting video

Hesitating because my hard earned money might get me into unnecessary trouble with things hovering currently. I started aeromodelling when I was 9-10yr old or so, and in later years have accomplished with a few first places in national level competition while in NCC, India. But that was 20+yrs back, things were very different then! I will keep flying for sure, only if it does not sound trouble to me.. Hope to complete my models soon and take them out for flying this summer.. hopefully

Guys The phantom is a very reliable craft.. It's only pilot error which causes flyaway!! And these photographer's are knuckleheads they don't know science they only know is about their Nikon or Canon they think flying a craft is child's play!!  They don't practice they never learn how to fly they only take the craft from the seller and push the throttle up!!!  We should ask DGCA to provide licence as we have in car and bikes!!  And even real aircraft!!

Wow interesting video indeed, I dont think I could get away with something like this here  . Cops would have snatched the camera,mobile my vehicle along with my copter as evidence most probably,even before the no fly notification came in. Its another thing that I could have probably fled the scene even before they arrive 

Anyways I just hope sense prevails and they begin regulating instead of banning for hobbyists specifically. In turn I would expect hobbyists to fly away from populated areas(or designated areas), within LOS and 400ft AGL and not using 900mhz telemetry when you know its used for GSM! etc.

Meanwhile, Im going to travel those extra kms to the site, where you wont find anyone else other than me. Better safe than sorry!

Well said Side Winder. The joy of flying is just as great when you're away from the madding crowd AS for the idiot and his quad copter, he was simply there to provoke the FBI or anyone else who arrived. I'm just so glad I don't live where he does. Basically where I live, as long as I'm more than 5km from an airport, under 400 feet and flying in a safe manner without houses below, we are left alone to enjoy our hobby. I used to fly on the outskirts of my town on private property but sadly the owner banned quadcopters as he stated "they are a fire hazard".  The strange thing was he allowed very large and very fast planes with much larger batteries on board to be flown, plus no more than 3 months later he decided quadcopters were great and he now flies nothing else. Strange indeed I now fly in a very large sporting field no more than 800 meters from my front door. Stu

UAV used by IAS officer, in madurai for illegal granite quarry inspection.
(UAV did not survive.)

http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-tamilnadu/uav-falls-into-water-in-quarry-pit/article6782775.ece

There was a news yesterday in the TV that it was recovered from water.

Seems DJI Phantoms are zooming around Tamilnadu

Bad for us.

This would be great news for you guys. Your "Legal Commisioner" actually using a quadcopter in his work. His position would give him a lot of power in your Government. What better person to keep onside to get your copters legalized and accepted. How can a Government stop ordinary people from doing something it itself is doing. Someone using the right approach could have this man really helping your cause. Look at the positive side, it's terrific news.

I read a previous post further up the page where someone states it's the fault of the operator if a quad decides to "fly away" Nothing could be further from the truth. There are many reasons why one could go it's own way. Loss of signal, faulty FC, interference from an RF source. I think it's safe to say the fault originating from the pilot would be in the minority.

I am sure it was not meant that way stu. Whatever may be the reason for the flyaway but the pilot is fully responsible for the consequent outcome and resultant damages. A pilot cannot absolve himself on this account.

ok, someone give this guy a cookie. out of countless idiot moves in human history, this guy takes the cake...and then some.
 let's have a big round of birdies for "DRONE OVER AIRPORT" 

we found a human without brain and that too alive and fully functional !!!

Well said sundaram. People will always try to find something to blame other than one's self. As for the videos shown above this post. This is one person,s video has done more damage to our hobby than other video ever made. Anyone trying to have out quadcopters banned can use this to show what an irresponsible and loutish bunch of criminals we all are.

Talk about give it to them on a platter. We will all be tarred with the same brush. Being an idiot is one thing, but to advertise the fact by posting proof of it on the Internet would have to be the height of stupidity. This person should be found and have the book thrown at him, then receive a quadcopter implant.    Stu

Quad copter implant.  > >.   

one time offer!! who ever wants to do a quad implant or shove up a quad up his ***!!  >   here he is:-

pilots i present to you:-
ASPETMANUKYAN
http://www.aspetmanukyan.com/eng/about.html

yup!! he's the guy piloting the dji in the video!!

regards,
JK

Sorry guys, I was just trying to say it politely. You obviously got my message. 

I honestly can't believe anyone would be so stupid as to do such a flight on purpose and not realise it not only dangerous but absolutely idiotic. Some people will do it simply for their own ego. How many pilots do you see with "Hey Look At Me" problem. Obviously there's various degrees of it, but this person (Maybe we shouldn't call him a pilot) may be just looking for notoriety. Maybe he gets his kicks from having people talk about him no matter the reason. He's definitely seen the error of his ways. After the initial rush of having it on YouTube wore off, because he did remove it. It's just a shame the idiot who reposted it did so.

 It would have been a lot better for all decent Hobbyists for it to have vanished. The video will now be used by those who don't want us to have copters in any form other than those you can only use indoors. We can only hope some other clown doesn't get the same idea. It's up to all of us to prove we're not that stupid.

If your tempted to get footage of a bad motor vehicle accident, DON"T EVER fly over the scene. I've seen news teams doing it and think it's OK. One day the copter is going to fall out of the sky. Just imagine a Lipo and petrol mixing, maybe the lipo doesn't burst but the impact will definitely have something going SPLAT, Suddenly it's much more than a MVA I think you can imagine how that story would pan out.

A big rock concert or any large gathering of people. How many times have you seen aerial footage of one? Far too often I think. Imagine the copter dropping on some poor soul from 200 feet or more. Again, think of the headlines.

The message? stop and think. We all know copters haven't reached the stage of being infallible. Something will always go wrong at the worst possible moment. It's called Murphy's Law. Don't become a walking headline, unless it's in a positive way of course. Play safe and protect out hobby, Please. Because it's my hobby as well.

Totally agreed!!

OOOH!!! It happened!! anything left?

http://time.com/3682307/white-house-drone-crash/

I'll say this out loud , dji phantom is by far the worst thing that has happened to this hobby .

Absolutely....

 >:(Sorry that I don't know much about 'drones' or different hobby multirotors, but am following the various discussions that are going on in the forum with interest . It is 100% - nay, 1000% that we 'must' care for safety aspect and use the hobby 'responsibly' .
 
Or else, the hobby is going to be alienated from us by the irresponsible misdeeds of a few baddies or stupid persons - just like the religion is being misused by a few (??) terrorists maligning the entire religion and mankind.  :banghead:What does any Govt / Authority (not well-informed) would do when there is already 'Extremism' is prevalent in many parts of our nation? See the following link. It is just a crude example.



(Don't know how to put in the link...my crude way.  .) 

BEWARE OF DRONES
THIS IS WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU COMBINE FIREWORKS, DRONES, AND STUPID FRIENDS.

It's not about a brand. It's about ready-made vs DIY.

When you build your own quad, you do a lot of reading and thinking beforehand. Then, there's the hard work involved in building and testing it. A lot of problems are faced and a lot of time is spent on online forums solving them. This way, you learn to love and respect your aircraft.

With ready-to-fly quads, more often than not, it's rich guys with large wallets and small brains. I just hope we don't loose this great hobby to stupid people too!

Just another sample    of the of the possible scenario of that can cause second thoughts about the multirotors for the authorities. Negative publicity in deed : 

Doc,
You haven't sent a link to DGCA yet ...

I know its not about a brand , but little common sense is required . We use to fly at a ground which was like ten feet away from my house , i stoped flying there just because i thought what if the link of my radio fails . That was the day i decided i wont fly until i get my own personal place to fly , the very next day i started the work of my own airstip (yes iam a bit over paranoid) . But i feel much safer now , i know my model wont fall on somebodys head . Then there are people flying over AIRPORTS , I recently saw a weeding photographer with a dji phantom , i asked him what if something fails snd he replied "sir this a 1 lakh rs machine it never fails , and even if it does it wont hurt anybody" this attitude will get him int trouble one day .

agree with your thought...
regards

Yeah this exactly is the attitude of videographers who use DJI Phantom with out any interest in RC.

It is no match for the one I have, here you see that there is plenty of noise, well , I give a clue, that in my views, noise and movement detected, and target can be fixed, even while in motion, my beacons weapons are highly or simply placed by parachutes or remotely, position fixed, without anynoise, as noise are easily detected and marked, kill weapons must be  delivered through stealthy devices, that is the art of perfect think tanks, one must know exactly what happens on real battlefield, we already have fine perfected flying objects, then you are already close to many beacons weapons 

I'm so glad the idiot with the sub machine gun doesn't live anywhere close to me. His marvelous quad wasn't as good as he made out though. That video amounted to a few hours of footage being edited out. There is no way he could line up those bursts one after the other, owing to the recoil from the gun. His demo flying through the window was rather far fetched. You'd only have to grab hold of the quad to render it useless. Plus I doubt anyone would bother stand perfectly still while he lined up his next shot.

I'd say he was pushing for a Government contract, why else would anyone blow up a quad. That footage was shot in one take so the gun went up with the quad, not exactly cheap. Then again he probably made his money back from YouTube.

Although I wasn't impressed with the content, I was rather impressed with that controller he was using. In fact I would have preferred a video on the setup he had, minus the sub machine gun. He can kiss any hopes of some agency buying the rights to his quad. Everything he used was old technology. The super powers are way ahead of him. Maybe a few terrorist groups would show interest.

As for the White House rubbish. The guy flying that quad knew perfectly well what he was doing, he didn't mahage to land where he did by accident. I can only assume the crack snipers usually found on the roof of the White House aren't used when Obama isn't home. I did like the, "I'm not sure if it had a camera" Why else would it have been flown where it was without a camera to record the event. I doubt he'd get the SD card back if there was one.

I completely forgot about the moron with the fireworks quad. I'm not sure who rates higher on the moronic chart, The flyer or the target. Both could do with a few pyrotechnic lessons. The target was wearing shorts. if one of those fireballs were to land on one, it wouldn't let go in a hurry. By the time it did he's have a very large hole where his flesh used to be. I imagine he was wearing a synthetic shirt, one of those fireballs on his back and he's have no chance of getting it off. Imagine what that would do to what's underneath.

In the race to be the first to have certain items lashed to a quad we can expect many more of the same I expect. We've had a paintball gun, a handgun, Machine gun and fireworks. Nuclear devices anyone? That's not a challenge by the way. <-> Normally I would have popped in a smiley right there, trouble is, it's not funny. Neither are many of the comments the idiots get. A good indication of how many sick people there are in this world, and how many of them watch YouTube.   ...   Stu

The quad used by fps Russia is cgi.... You can tell by the way it takes off and flies.... Also by reading the youtube comments....

drone everywhere. Nobody calls it a quadcopter.
The news says "Following this incident, drone owners in the city were asked to register with the deputy commissioner of police (security).
Operating a drone requires clearance from the Directorate General of Civil Aviation and a no-objection certificate from the police."
Anyone in here registered and got NOC from police? how to get clearance from DGCA?

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/chinese-national-quizzed-over-drone/article6876410.ece

I can get noc from the police but i don`t think DGCA will approve me