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« on: September 14, 2013, 09:17:30 PM »
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Please read this carefully before you import a Radio.

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OFFICE OF THE COMMISSIONER OF CUSTOMS ( IMPORT)
NEW CUSTOM HOUSE, BALLARD ESTATE, MUMBAI- 400 001.
F.No. S/22-39/13 PAS Date : 12.09.2013.
PUBLIC NOTICE NO.111/2013
Sub: Requirement of type approval from WPC for import of wireless
transmitters, wireless receiver, remote controlled toy
helicopters, toy aeroplanes for hobby/recreational/aero
modelling purpose and other wireless equipment operating in
the frequency band of 2.4 GHz to 2.4835 GHz – reg.
- - - - - - - -
Attention is invited of all trade members & individual importers importing or receiving
gifts at Postal Appraising Section, Foreign Post Office, Mumbai, from abroad consisting of
wireless transmitters, wireless receivers, remote controlled toy helicopters & toy aeroplanes
for hobby/recreational/aero-modelling purposes and other wireless equipments in the
frequency band of 2.4 GHz to 2.4835 GHz. to Rule 3 of Üse of Low Power Equipment in the
frequency band 2.4 GHz to 2.4835 GHz (Exemption from Licensing Requirement) Rules,
2005”, which specifies:
“Notwithstanding anything contained in any law for the time being in force, no licence
shall be required by any person to establish, maintain, work, possess or deal in any
wireless equipment, on non-interference, non-protection and shared (non-exclusive)
basis, in the frequency band 2.4 GHz with the transmitter power, Effective Radiated
Power and height of antenna as specified in the Table below, namely:-
TABLE
Maximum out power
of transmitter
Maximum Effective
Radiated Power
Height of Antenna
(1) (2) (3)
1 W (30 dBm) in Spread
of 10 MHz or higher
4 W (36 dBm) Within 5 metres above the
Roof top of existing
Authorized building.
2. Further as per Rule 6 of the above Rules:
(1) The wireless equipment shall be type approved and designed and constructed in
such manner that the bandwidth of emission and other parameters shall conform to the
limits specified in the Table referred to in rule 3.
(2) The application for obtaining equipment type approval shall be made to the Central
Government in such form as may be specified by that Government in this behalf”.
Contd…..2..
-- 2 –
3. Kind attention is also invited to the frequently asked questions available on the website
www.wpc.dot.gov.in, FAQ No.5, which is as follows:
Qn: Ïf a particular product is exempted from license, still I need to notify Wireless Planning
and Co-ordination Wing (WPC) about it before use? Can I import the same without need
of any license?
Ans: If the produce is not Type Approved, then it is required to inform WPC and obtain Type
Approval from WPC. Import License is required from WPC to import any equipment,
other than Broadcasting Receiver and TVRO System”.
4. Accordingly, even if as per manufacturer’s catalogue/certificate/clarification, the imported
subject wireless equipment meets all the conditions of Rule 3 even then as per Rule 6
type approval of the said equipment is required to be obtained from WPC. Each & every
wireless equipment operating in frequency band of 2.4GHz to 2.4835 GHz be it
transmitter, receiver, toy helicopter, toy aeroplane etc. whether meeting the requirements
of Rule 3 or otherwise are required to be type approved by the WPC before being
imported into India. If the product is not already type approved then after goods arrive in
India and before customs clearance, importers are required to inform WPC and obtain
type approval from them.
5. Accordingly, all the importers and trade members are hereby informed that henceforth no
import clearance of any subject mentioned wireless equipment will be allowed unless it is
type approved by the WPC. This is equally applicable to individual importers importing
one or two pieces for personal use i.e. hobby/recreation/aero-modelling purposes as well
as traders in commercial quantity.
6. For procedure regarding obtaining type approval, please refer to Memorandum dated
08.02.2007 of Ministry of Communications & Information Technology and the format for
application for equipment type approval, both available on website
www.wpc.dot.gov.in/docfiles/etaapplication.doc
(Sd/-)
( ASHUTOSH BARANWAL )
COMMISSIONER OF CUSTOMS (IMPORT)
NEW CUSTOM HOUSE, MUMBAI.
Copy to: All concerned.
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i ordered a bixler ARF from HK and it entered customs today. does this mean that it is on trouble?
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i ordered a bixler ARF from HK and it entered customs today. does this mean that it is on trouble?

Is a Bixler a radio?
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Attention is invited of all trade members & individual importers importing or receiving
gifts at Postal Appraising Section, Foreign Post Office, Mumbai, from abroad consisting of
wireless transmitters, wireless receivers, remote controlled toy helicopters & toy aeroplanes
for hobby/recreational/aero-modelling purposes and other wireless equipments in the
frequency band of 2.4 GHz to 2.4835 GHz. to Rule 3 of Üse of Low Power Equipment in the
frequency band 2.4 GHz to 2.4835 GHz (Exemption from Licensing Requirement) Rules,
2005”,

i asked because i can't understand legal language, and it says something about aeromodels here... toy aeroplanes...
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This is old news. You cannot import radio without a WPC type approval and import license. Applicable for both personal and commercial import. The circular is just reinforcing the rule.
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That you are wrong...you can import anything if your transmitter is 2.4 GHZ..

please refer WPC website.
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Is the Commissioner of Customs wrong? It is in black and white.

The Radio first needs type approval, then Import permission. If you import without these formalities, and it clears, good,you are lucky. If it doesn't, you may wheedle your way through. But the legal position is absolutely clear; this is not only for Mumbai Customs. Being a Central Government agency, this notification is now Case Law All-India unless contermanded
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Again....You must check WPC website and rules.

That already they are declare that 2.4 Ghz Band is free to use.

No license is require for 2.4 GHZ that already mention in WPC website so we do not need to license if our transmitter meet the requirement..
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If this makes you happy, fine. But the writing is on the document, despite whatever you may wish it to be. I am NOT interested in arguing or clarifying; I have just posted this in public interest and awareness. The only end users with a clear awareness, and with Customs things are not always straightforward, are those LHS owners who have taken a type approval and legally import.
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I think this is a great step forward in regularization of this hobby, only problem that i see is months of red tape and bureaucracy for an individual to get the ETA to import the Tx, however if we can find a way to get ETA through some organisation, it will prove to be a good step forward for all RC Hobbies in India. Agreed we do have LHS who have bought radios that are ETA’ed, but its not possible for them to have all the radios,  so incase someone wants to get a radio that's not available with LHS  he/she would be ankle to import the radio without any sort of worries our harassment.
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better option than this customs mumbo jumo n bull crap just spend another 2 k more order by dhl ups fedex  on time delivery n no issues ...plus anyway those hungry customs guys are gonna chew more than 2k in customs
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Shannon, at work very often we have imported stuff via DHL, Fedex, especially when projects are nearing completion. It is a total rip-off on the customs front. Those guys just pay whatever the Customs say, and backcharge you. I have even had situations where the USA office has exercised the option of pre=paid Customs Duty, still these courier guys have charged an arm and a leg over and above this Sad
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Again....You must check WPC website and rules.

That already they are declare that 2.4 Ghz Band is free to use.

No license is require for 2.4 GHZ that already mention in WPC website so we do not need to license if our transmitter meet the requirement..

This has been clarified multiple times before. Just because 2.4Ghz is unlicensed does not mean you can import at will. The equipment has to be "type approved" by WPC, to fully conform to existing rules (which is again clarified in the public notice mentioned in original/first post of this thread).

Just search for "type approval" here. 

http://www.rcindia.org/search2?search=type+approval
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i have never paid customs using the courier upto 200$+ shipping ..and not under invoiced...i know they have their own customs clearance officers so i doubt they will be so tough with their customs
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Guys, no point in arguing this. If you have got your radio without any hassles, you are just plain lucky and thanks to the ignorance of the official.

Any radio import, individual or commercial needs license and it has to be type approved. Period. Its clear on WPC site. Blame it on the hobby distributors for making it tough for individual importers.
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Blame it on the hobby distributors for making it tough for individual importers.

Bit extreme that, putting the blame on the Hobby Distributors!
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Again....You must check WPC website and rules.

That already they are declare that 2.4 Ghz Band is free to use.

No license is require for 2.4 GHZ that already mention in WPC website so we do not need to license if our transmitter meet the requirement..

hi... i import a lot of wireless radios for data communication purpose in the 2.4 and 5.8 GHz bands... and let me tell you one thing... even if you have the bands open for free use in India the WPC Equipment Type Approval (ETA) is a must for each and every radio transmission equipment entering in the Indian boundaries.....

even the License Free Walkie Talkie that I have working on the 27MHz in India had to get the ETA before getting the custom clearance.

please remember that ETA is mandatory and you have the ETA approval form on the WPC website for download. you can submit it to the regional WPC office of your area with the fees ( which on average is Rs. 500 per approval ) and wait for the clearance to come through.

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Attached the public notice. Yes Type approval is mandatory even for an individual importer as well now.
Isn't it a STUPID, CORRUPTED, MEANINGLESS, WORST, IDIOTIC government rule ? Think logically, How can an individual importer gets type approval ? An Individual importer will order only one item, that gets stuck in customs, now we need to go to WPC with empty hands and has to get the type approval for remote control. HOW FUNNY IT IS...

Residents of USA, the most secured government, are importing these Remote Controls with out any hassles, Where as our worst government is implementing all these silly rules.

I have just ordered a medium size 4 channel RTF heli from banggood.com in the month of august. It got stucked in customs for 3 months, when i contacted them, they are saying this answer "We need type approval for your heli". After keeping it for 3 months, that too i started communicating with them, then they are saying that they need type approval. Then i asked them to send it back, finally they have started the process of sending it back, dont know when it will go to seller, not sure, if seller accepts the item or not, after this much delay.

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You are Right...

they need vitamin "M" so they are making new rule for this...

At 1st customs need Vitamin M and now The WPC also need Vitamin "M" .....
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Can anyone tell me...what is the meaning of this??

"licensing for possession and use?"

Just tell me the meaning of "possession"
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Ok so clearance for tx is a must fine agreed... Y has heli kits n plane kits having no radio oon board have to go through this wpc clearance....how does tht affect wpc...
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According to Google Translation

Check the attachment...i hope some one Understand after Translation in HINDI.

"अधिकार और उपयोग के लिए लाइसेंस?"

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@mbt what it means is OWNING it and/or using it for any purpose
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@mbt what it means is OWNING it and/or using it for any purpose

That means, after getting type approval of the equipment, bombs also can be launched   Giggle
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HAhhaa...

Please note "AND" n "OR" big difference between them...

you can think what is the meaning of OWNING...from customs...what i say every time...
You must read every WORD to WORD bcoz...this is Our GOVT DOCUMENT....

@  kumardasai ...Please read again WPC This Question.

"What are the license- free bands? What are the wireless products that are exempted from licensing for possession and use? "
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even if you have that radio equipment as a showpiece in your house it has to be type approved, and if you decide to use it, then also it needs to be type approved, and if you decide to keep it as a show piece and also use it then also type approval is needed.
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@mbt1370:- I had a huge conversation with below designated officer,

Deputy Commissioner of Customs,
Postal Appraising Section,
Foreign Post Office, Mumbai.

He is clearly saying, that 2.4 Ghz is allowed in india, but type approval for the equipment is mandatory. Freequency and Type approvals are two different things. Type approval for the equipment clearly states all the information about the effective radiation power.
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that i do not decide...
that is already mention on WPC...not my RULE...
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Ok so clearance for tx is a must fine agreed... Y has heli kits n plane kits having no radio oon board have to go through this wpc clearance....how does tht affect wpc...

Bro that is Key Hole....that they are already mention that you can get your radio Without any WPC approval...

Bcoz they already declare this is free to use...

Just think once again...if we must need approval for this 2.4 GHZ then why they declare this is License free for use and possession.

You must Note the meaning of word  "possession" ..
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Application to get the type approval. Let me know, if anybody needs this latest application. Admin, Its not allowing me to attach word documents here..

Government of India
Ministry of Communications & IT
Department of Telecommunications
WPC Wing

Sanchar Bhavan
J 22022/01/2007-WF                                           New Delhi-110001.
Dated: 1st February, 2007

MEMORANDUM

Sub:  Application for Equipment Type Approval  -  Guidelines


   All equipments/devices which work in the de-licenced  frequency bands,  shall be type approved and designed and constructed in such a manner that the bandwidth of emission, power and other parameters shall conform to the limits specified various notifications in this regard.     

2.   For out door applications, in case the top of Antenna is more than 5 metres beyond the existing roof top, then clearance of this antenna site is required to be approved by  the  Standing Advisory Committee on Frequency Allocations (SACFA),  and clearance obtained accordingly.  For this, requisite application is to be submitted separately, using the on-line facility. 
 
3.   The application for obtaining equipment type approval shall be made to the Wireless Adviser to Govt. of India, 6th Floor, Sanchar Bhavan, New Delhi-110001 in the format available in the website.  .

4.   The application should be submitted along with a complete copy of Radio Test report (RF test report) carried out on the product, from an accredited test laboratory, containing details of the following.

a.    Measurement of peak radiated power  or eirp
b.    Measurement of peak power spectral  density. 
c.   Measurement of 6dB and 20dB. Bandwidth
d.   Measurement of frequency range  and details of channels
e.   Measurement showing behaviour of edge channels.
f.   Measurement of spurious/harmonic emissions (conducted and radiated )  in different frequency bands .   
g.   Other details such as peak excursion, measurement uncertainty, test set up, details of power settings facility etc.
h.   Details of antenna systems compatible to be used with the device under test.

5.   The above tests are  required to be supported by measurement details and relevant spectrum plots indicating the details such as resolution bandwidth, video bandwidth,  frequency span, sweep etc.,

6.   The Equipment Type Approval  shall be granted only to an Indian agency and not in the name of any foreign  manufacturer.  Hence it also essential to submit a certificate of authorization from the manufacturer, authorizing the Indian agency/counter part  to act  on their behalf.



                        S/D…………..
                     (D.Singaravelu)
               Deputy Wireless Adviser to Govt. of India
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hahhahah....

please read word to word...

what is the meaning of "the de-licenced  frequency bands"
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Just i need to say one thing to all rc people...

If you think that higher level customs commissioner telling you truth to you...then you are wrong...
that is my personal experience...

just follow the RULE. they are say anything...and maybe that is not in the RULE...

Just they need your money...so...if you think they are RIGHT then you can follow them...

i always carry the GOVT DOCUMENT and argument with Customs Commissioner.....

and after showing the rule...they are going in silent mode..and going on new objection...

All are up to you.. bcoz this is INDIA.
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u read it first clearly. You dont have to explain anybody here. Every body knows. You understand the meaning of it, thats enough. We are pretty clear here. You order one RTF heli from outside (equal or above medium size heli), you will come to know clearly, what is type approval and what is 2.4 Ghz and all. I also came to know, after losing my heli only. Hey others, its really dangerous ordering especially RTF Helis now a days. Please think twice or thrice before you order RTFs. There is no proper channel to contact customs. Ofcourse its a service they should provide for us as we are paying money, We have every right to ask them, what is the status of my parcel ? Obviously its a public government sector, so it will be obviously the most worst service. Even we can't complaint about their services !!!!!! How funny this rule is, an individual importer who imports single items also needs type approval.
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ok...that's fine....i am WRONG...ok..

you can follow this all people...and waste your money on them...

i do not give to any advice on this...

Thanks.
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   "All equipments/devices which work in the de-licenced  frequency bands,  SHALL be type approved and designed and constructed in such a manner that the bandwidth of emission, power and other parameters shall conform to the limits specified various notifications in this regard."

What this means IMHO is that in the de-licenced bands:
There is a need for type approval based on specs.

And not that they all stand automatically approved

that SHALL actually means NEED TO BE. And not DEEMED TO BE.

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u read it first clearly. You dont have to explain anybody here. Every body knows. You understand the meaning of it, thats enough. We are pretty clear here. You order one RTF heli from outside (equal or above medium size heli), you will come to know clearly, what is type approval and what is 2.4 Ghz and all. I also came to know, after losing my heli only. Hey others, its really dangerous ordering especially RTF Helis now a days. Please think twice or thrice before you order RTFs. There is no proper channel to contact customs. Ofcourse its a service they should provide for us as we are paying money, We have every right to ask them, what is the status of my parcel ? Obviously its a public government sector, so it will be obviously the most worst service. Even we can't complaint about their services !!!!!! How funny this rule is, an individual importer who imports single items also needs type approval.

Another Wrong Thinking...If people Do not thinking in right way then customs people are happy.

I bought CF propeller and they are detained Huh?...my parcel stuck in  their office from last 1 month...if you think they are right then you are wrong.

You can File a complain Against that corrupted Customs Officer...

Grievances can primarily be divided into three categories:

1.      Complaints of corrupt practices against officers

2.      Delay in decision making by officers.

3.      Grievances against merits of the decision taken by officers.
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Blame it on the hobby distributors for making it tough for individual importers.

Bit extreme that, putting the blame on the Hobby Distributors!
Why do you think it is extreme? These rules have been around for years, but were never enforced as the appraising officials probably never knew about it or choose to ignore them. I assume either one or a group of distributors lobbied with customs to enforce them so they can restrict personal hobby imports securing their business and monopolising. Aeromodelling and radios have been here for donkeys years, so how suddenly 2 or 3 years ago, these rules came about?
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You all understand that rules are for the public and benefits are for those who are supposed to implement them (or rather enforce them on the gullible public) or those who see them implemented - for eg., compulsory helmet rule or using phone while driving or tinted glasses on the vehicle window glasses and wind screens or drunk driving. Though rules are always there, their implementation is in fits and bursts, knee-jerk reactions, like in "special drives" or whenever the enforcer (in these cases, the police) need money for pocket expenditure or for festival season expenditure or when the boss falls short of funds for the home furnishing or election expenditure. Customs enforcers, may be are a few notches ahead. Its a matter of degrees. The disease is same.
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I feel this rule should enforced for air radios and not surface as the range is short. We have some RTR surface radios which cant even operate beyond 200 feet. I know of Air radios which can cover vast area. But issue is on how to categorize radios and so the blanket rule for all.
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@mail4ajo:-
As a fellow aero modellers we can understand your explanation, but those custom people, will not listen to our arguments first of all, They will just blindly follow their stupid rules. They just need a type approval, thats it. They dont know anything about these freequeny, range and all other aspects. I have also tried to explain a lot about my medium sized heli and its range, and its weight and its not even 2.4 Ghz. But they still asking for type approval. They should recruit a technician and evaluate the RC item instead of blindly following WPC rules.
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Quote:  I assume either one or a group of distributors lobbied with customs to enforce them so they can restrict personal hobby imports securing their business and monopolising. Unquote

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1. You 'assume' lobbying was done
2. On the basis of this 'assumption' you have jumped ahead to
    a) Slander
    b) Libel
3. You have become Judge Jury and Executioner in one

This is you personal 'assumption', and should not be publicised on this forum
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Can anyone tell me...what is the meaning of this??
"licensing for possession and use?"
Just tell me the meaning of "possession"

This is what happens when someone who joins the forum to sell overpriced items becomes an authority on WPC issues over night.

Whatever the meaning of possession, to customs officials IMPORT of a radio that is using even a de-licensed band still needs ETA (ie type approval), that is mandatory per WPC. The key is "IMPORT", which has nothing to do with "use" or "possession" mentioned about the de-licensed 2.4Ghz band.

Taking this argument further, every radio that in the country would need to be imported  at some point, so every radio would need ETA. If there are "Made in India" radios, then also the same would apply, as ETA is WPC's method of confirming that that the particular model of radios actually works in the band (and only that band) that it claims to use.

Now what happens on the ground can be very different from what the rules say. Often custom folks ignore radios, especially while coming to the country via airports and a lot of times during parcel imports. And nobody is actively visiting any RC fields to check if your radio is type approved. But none of those mean that the rules are relaxed.  You need ETA to import radios, end of story.

Basically, if I were to create radios in the 3.5GHz band, the first step is that I would need approval to use that bit of spectrum for my radios. The second step is that I would need ETA for my radio... which would be the WPC's way of confirming that my particular model of radio actually works on the 3.5Ghz band "as claimed" by me.

When using a 2.4Ghz radio along with fact that 2.4Ghz band is de-licensed, I am saved from going through the hassle of the first step (spectrum usage license), but the second step (ETA) still remains.

It is just strange that the person making this argument seems to have found ways to convince customs officers using "WPC rules" that radios are legal to be imported without ETA, but he fails miserably at getting the customs charges reduced from the 45% that he claims every item he is selling here is charged !  Most people here are charged at a lower rate of customs... what an irony.
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Quote:  I assume either one or a group of distributors lobbied with customs to enforce them so they can restrict personal hobby imports securing their business and monopolising. Unquote

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1. You 'assume' lobbying was done
2. On the basis of this 'assumption' you have jumped ahead to
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    b) Libel
3. You have become Judge Jury and Executioner in one

This is you personal 'assumption', and should not be publicised on this forum

Do you agree that local distributors want to restricts personal imports? I know of several who have publicly spoken against and discouraged personal imports, so I believe I am just in assuming the above. Its not a wild dream. The way to attract buyers is by being price competitive, offering good choices and after sales service. This discourages personal imports.

Making personal imports hard is not the solution.
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If any Transmitter receiver model is already type approved by any fellow modeler in India , can anyone use that approval for his individual import?
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Please use search !  This has been answered many many times before.  Short answer, approval can be re-used, but still need to get import permit for full legality.

http://www.rcindia.org/search2?search=wpc+import+approval

http://www.rcindia.org/rc-outlets-and-resellers/strict-rules-on-parcel-importing-!!!/msg22616/#msg22616

http://www.rcindia.org/rc-outlets-and-resellers/anything-and-everything-hobby-king/msg150630/#msg150630

http://www.rcindia.org/rc-general-topics/airport-customs-issues/msg90960/#msg90960

http://www.rcindia.org/radios-and-receivers/list-of-all-radios-with-wpc-approval-so-far/msg82538/#msg82538

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Thanks sir..
Import license is a  personal document i think ?
Secondly , for importing same Radio again , we need to apply for Import license again or same will do ?
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interesting discussion. I want to say little, yet already mentioned above still writing so newbie can understand easily. Here two different terms are applied:

1) ETA: Equipment Type Approval- This is a Certificate given by (may be some identified laboratories Who deals in Electronics Research) approved agencies. This certificate declares that the said instrument/ equipment emits radio frequency within specified limits announced by WPC, in our cases 2.4Ghz and 30dbm(1W). ETA belongs to an equipment AND not to a person or company/agency.
For simple understanding, I compare ETA as a new automobile Vehicle product that is tobe launched to run on Indian Road, the manufacturer must take approval from some Govt. Agencies (e.g. RTO) that this vehicle is fit for to run on the road. We never exercise this in case of automobile as the manufacturer is also too much interested to obtain such "permission" because of his business interest. While in case of "our" TxRx the foreign manufacturer will not take interest to for ETA because of no extra benefit.

2) De-licensed band or free to use band or 2.4 Ghz Band is free to use- To understand this I want to brief a little.

There is different spectrums http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_spectrum  or band of radio frequency in our atmosphere. These different radio frequencies are being used by different people- may be individuals (e.g. Aero/car/ship modelers, Ham radio operators)  or private companies (e.g. FM radio channels or TV channels, mobile phone service providers) or government agencies (e.g.police, forest, coast guard, military) and may be there could more user groups. when one (individual or private company) want to use or take advantage of one or more frequency he has to obtain license from WPC (like if i want to drive a car [or any engine driven automobile] i have to obtain license from RTO irrespective of ownership of a car). But one who don't want to transmit radio frequency but only want to receive like TV or Radio receiver are not required to obtain license, like you are co-passenger in a car.

If i recall my memory, there where some year ago some low powered two vehicles were launched in market, if i don't forget Mofa and one model of Luna (and now a days some battery operated mopeds too) where exempted to from licence to drive. 2.4Ghz band is also somehow similar to the exemption of license to use subject to the radiated power or emitting energy.

No one is needed to get license to use 2.4Ghz frequency band subject to limit of radiated power. But the custom's officials asking that, "what is the proof of the equipment falls under the limit prescribed by the WPC?"  if you say them 2.4ghz is license free band and any one can use it without license, they will ask for ETA which officially declares that the equipment falls under the limit which was suggested by WPC. Funny thingk is they do not trust certificates like FCC etc already taken by the manufacturer, but trust the certificate given by such agencies which can easily doubted for faithness.
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IMHO (in my humble opinion), better we discuss how one can easily get TxRx without unnecessary hassles. Here, I go with the doubt on lobbying of LHS. Respectfully, i admit that there is always a nice role of LHS for particularly this noble hobby. But when it comes for an import of RxTx, they become silent and never come forward for help. Its clear that the reinforcement of the said law has no overparticular interest of customs officials. But LHS will definitely get benefited. most of LHS had at least once exercised for ETA in past. If these people are really clean, they can  come forward to help people in community, how to fill the form etc and rest of the process. over a period of 6 months no LHS participated in discussion. 

On other hand, Unfortunately, they are never found with good quality and cheaper priced TxRx in their inventory regularly. I humbly request them to help people in this community, how to process.
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My 9x reached India on 14/4/14. from then on its been taken care by the customs. They sent me a letter on 23/4/14 which I received on 4/5/14, 10 days after .the letter has some Jargon that I didn't really understand except that they are asking me to send the Invoice , product description and purpose of its use which I did via email for which they replied " Kindly send all the documents mentioned in the letter" I scratched my head for a while and resent the same documents. after three days I get a email asking me to produce Wpc-noc and ETA and they mentioned that I need to come to mumbai, take the 9x under customs escort to delhi get it checked and obtain the ETA which I found ridiculous thinking in terms of travel expenditure as I stay in Hyderabad.

calling the customs and getting the line connected won't happen most of the time, It happens like a miracle, once in a day if I try all day, getting connected I tried to explain the product and my situation to the officer. for which he acted like a toddler, All he wanted was WPC NOC. I did some research and found that I can apply for ETA online over the WPC website and mail the hard copy to Regional WPC office to get the approval ,  But the thing now is the Application column on WPC website has some bugs and it doesn't work..

what is this guys? the system looks so fucked up!!...All I want is a little radio not AK47 or Lamborghini.

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Well its easy to get a Lamborghini. U better go through the above mentioned links, they ll help U out in a better way. Dont panic we can understand ur frustration, but we ve to through the system no matter how ****** up it is.
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Did anyone here ever get a ETA approval for 9x?
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bro u should have just payed 15$ more and got it by fedex it would have saved the time money and effort ....these people are real idiots when it comes to rc stuff ....now not only will they charge u customs of nearly 1500-2000k but also u got to pay wpc fees for noc 500 bucks i guess ...a better option is ask them to send it back to hk let hobbyking refund ur money then ship via fedex ....with customs and crap ull end up paying the same if u had ordered via fedex ....
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Theoretically (?) i like this scheme when time is concern, but little doubt- this is even not full proof scheme. Second thing, i heard many times that fedex people charges additional processing (huge)charges without our consent. Else good.

At the end of the day, I again request seniors to come forward to start a movement(Huh?) Help Me for this harsh law. I'll follow.  Bow
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why doesn't the Indian system trust FCC and CE compliance? WPC shit is too annoying!!  Bang Head Help Me
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Movement against customs, not possible, it's a complicated thing besides they come under internal and external security...what's needed is to order it properly,

You can ask them to return the parcel to the original place ie the mafg. China and get it back again
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why doesn't the Indian system trust FCC and CE compliance? WPC shit is too annoying!!  Bang Head Help Me

Agree. But again it will become easy to buy from foreign by individual hobbyist and it will not satisfy some's personal interests.
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But still dude thats not a justifiable reason, hindrance to the growth of people is a hindrance no matter what the law or the reason for it is. and it doesn't bring any good to any nation. Undecided
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Ellik, what you are considering as  Bang Head hindrance, is Vitamin M Indian Rupees Indian Rupees Indian Rupees for many people.  Drool

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I returned it and Hats Off to all the IES and IAS  a**holes who design the rules as this. Real achievement is when you use your head right when you have the chance to bring change. Salute
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Can we raise this issue with PMO on facebook? Just asking Grin
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 ;)if raised, at least nothing to loose.
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Ok I will post the request.
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That's very nice. Hope, if you share its link here, it would not be violence of any rule. People here, will surely like it on FB.
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Bad. Even I faced the same WPC issue for a Radio from WLTOYS. I personally went and met the officer at WPC Mumbai, Borivali office. The man even did not look at the invoice. He just said, "I have decided not to give you an NOC". These were his words unedited..  I tried to explain him that the radio complies to all standards from safety perspective and that its just a small toy.
He was just nodding his head.

Guys this is serious. People take this hobby as a potential risk. Forget about the technical guidelines by the thoughtful (whoever brought the rules).
People think this is hazardous and a threat to the society. I am afraid that our hobby would fade out if this shit spreads.

We need to start convincing people around that its just a plane simple hobby.

A terrorist would not order a RC radio to be cleared through customs!!!

Common guys..
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This seems to be a big hurdle for people like us in India. Yes, I agree, we surely need to make people believe this is safe. 
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This was the sole reason why i paid 120$ extra for ups world wide saver to get my 10J i read stories about how custom people are acting up with us good people . I agree those Tx which work on the regulated frequencies should not be purchased but 2.4g is not regulated by the govt . One of my know friend had his RTF kit held by customs he went to thier office and asked them as to why it has been held they gave a one line statement that 'your toy is capable of doing aerobatic maneuvers in the air and hence it is not a toy and shall not be released ' he got so dishearten that he left the hobby
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^yes, stick to the LHS, and motivate them to stock sufficiently.. aaand buy from them, to keep the ball rolling!
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for instance, "Accepted" Shocked, then are you sure they keep full range?

Personally, i never feel happy with the stock of the sucker(sorry) LHS keep in inventory(and also little not happy with price too-but  not big issue if they keep in range). None of the time i found a good variety of brands and models with LHS.

I really sorry for the words Undecided, but LHSs really hurt when it comes to TxRx.
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wanted a new micro rx (2.4) , is it safe to call it via usps ? ordering from tower
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Hello, Respected Members & Experts, (Hope this is right forum to ask)

I'm a newbie on this subject and like many, I also placed an order and bought walkie-talkie from the Chinese website and it arrived India and stuck with Delhi customs for 2 days - What I didn't know that it belongs from the same category with Drone situation in India right now..and once I googled I hit this website...My product which is stuck @ Custom is 2 piece pack BAOFENG T1 Radio Frequency range: 400 - 470MHz for personal Line of sight communication in a private property. I'm pretty sure it will not clear by customs.


After a little bit reading this forum and wpc website (which is not working) I believe it is impossible to get the product.

Now my question how can I instruct the courier company to send it back to the China? Or What to do?  

Please let me know...
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